Forum 3
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From Lo Chi Keung
Nov. 29, 2007

> Dear Everyone:
> 
> To Sun Ming Kwong and Cheung Wai Yee and Paul NG and Terry Lam Chun
Keung
> 
> I have attached the email history at the end in case you interest to
read
> and trace the discussion.
> 
> Terry: Do you have time and interest to join into the organization of
this
> concert?
> 
> Paul, are you interested in the organization of this concert, or you 
> are already tired with the admin.?
> 
> 
> A. View
> http://www.lochikeung.name/images/concert_question.jpg
> For a questionaire to be submitted to the crowd on Dec.8, 2007. Any 
> comments or correction?
> B. View
> http://www.lochikeung.name/concert2008.html
> for the theme of the concert. This is open to discussion. The date is 
> tentative. For me, I can likely visist HK in around October and
November.
> Of course, I like to see the show, but you guys can decide a good date.
> The formation of the Association is in December 1973.
> 
> C. In the above link, there is a passage to be submitted onto the web
site
> of the Alumni Assoc., any comments or correction?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The following are records of previous communication 
> ====================================
> Frankie's response to Forum 2
> =======================================
> Dear Lo Sir,
> 
> 2.  Yes, the Shaukiwan Civic Centre is with upward platform that the 
> audience to have a clear view to the performers on stage.  Also, it 
> has
soft
> seat that the general environment is OK.  The most important issue is
the
> location is good which is right above the MTR station even better than
Art
> Centre.
> 3.  Yes, I have a good contact with Lam Chun Kit.  If you don't mind, 
> I
can
> cc this mail to him and let him to involve.  Please advise.
> 4.  Yes, no problem!!
> 5.  Can't watch your Chinese! Yes, we can open to discuss the theme 6.  
> Would Bonnie please comment?
> 7.  Looking for the script.  I would suggest letting Paul to join this 
> discussion.  I know he is helpful.  Yes, I agree to post this idea of
Kung
> Lee Alumni Website even the hit rate of this website is not high.
> 8.  Yes, it's a good starting.  However, I would like to remind that 
> the booking of venue is required to have 7 months in advance.  Thus, 
> if we
want
> to have the concert during summer holiday, we need to apply in early
2008.
> Of course, it should be good in September 08 which is right after the 
> Olympic game and the starting of the new school term but not yet with
the
> exam.  Am I right??  Please comment.
> 9.  Yes, I will be there!! Just paid, may be not yet on the list.
> 10.  Bonnie please advise.
> 11.  Paul Ng is one of the right persons to manage.  Also, I think we
can
> get more involvement of the Alumni association or try to let them to 
> do
the
> admin as they have the support from the school.  Besides, if the venue
is
> applied by the Alumni association, it may get the discount.
> 
> I will try to chat with the alumni during the dinner and see whether 
> or
not
> they will support this proposal.  Keep you all informed about the 
> status later.
> 
> Cheers,
> Best Regards,
> Frankie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lochikeung.name 
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 1:31 AM
> To: PPM
> Cc: Frankie Cheong; lochikeung; bonnielkma
> Subject: Forum 2
> 
> I have included previous messages and label it for easy reference
> 
> Forum 2 from Lo Chi Keung
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> 1. In the meantime, I have skipped mailing to Sun Ming Kwong and 
> Cheung Wai Yee. Because Cheung is out of town and Sun might be too 
> busy to
read,
> It is better to call him and talk.
> Am I correct, or should we cc the mails to him too
> 
> 2. Place:
> This is why I have to ask you guys becasue I have been away for 15
years.
> Is the ShauKiWan place having a upward platform such that the back of
the
> audience seats are slightly higher such that short people can see the 
> stage well?
> I look at the photo, it looks like it has a raised audience platform,
right?
> Secondly, how about the seats? Are they soft seated? Coudl not say 
> from the photo!
> Seats are ok too 471, slightly more than than Arts Center
> 
> 3. Lam Chun Kit. I am looking for whether he could do the organization.
> Are you (Frankie) in good contact with him? He is a kind of Ping Chau 
> 'Hearn Sun' ha ha
> 
> 4. Tang Wai Yan
> We don't need to ask him right now. He likely will not reject.
> 
> 5. Theme: You are right. My idea is we do not fix the style of the
music.
> As we are facing a big varieties of audience, age and interest. I 
> prefer to fix the content. 35-40 years is half our life. How about 
> call it '¢Db¢DI?t'? Can you see the Chinese? But you don't really need 
> to sing songs all areound the topic, right?
> Open to discussion!
> 
> 6. Ticket price: Bonnie:What do you think? Under such a case, we will
have
> some $40,000 income, in case, it is full. I do not see any big
difficulty.
> 
> 7. I sent a mail to Paul Ng, last night disclosing our proposal. But 
> it
is
> our freedom to post on the web site, thought the market behavior of 
> the Alumni Ass, in fact is not great. But we still would do that. How 
> about
we
> used a group name (PPM, me and you). It represents 3 short generation. 
me
> in 1971, PPM in around 1978 and you are in around 1984, right?
> We can also add Sun's name if he is ok with that, also Cheung Wai Yee
when
> she returns home. I will sketch a script tonight for that and also a 
> questionair as well! Send to you tonight, my time and for comments.
> 
> 8. It looks like we have a good starting.
> 
> 9. Are you guys going to the dinner, could not find your names?
> 
> 10. Bonnie, what do you think? Are you able to committ? Do you have
Bertha
> (May Ho)'s contact?
> 
> 11. Any good person we can find for adminis. ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> +++++++++++
> >From PPM, Kwan Chi Shing to Frankie's idea about Forum 1
> +++++++++++++
> > hi all,
> >
> > I agreed with Frankie's idea. ^_^
> >
> > Kwan (PPM)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frankie Cheong" 
> > To: lochikeung.name; <ppm>;
<bonnielkma
> > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:45 PM
> > Subject: |^AD!G Concert forum!
> >
> >
> 
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> >From Frankie, responding to Forum 1
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Dear Lo Sir,
> >
> > For the venue, I would propose to choose the government run Civic
Centre
> > (like the one at Saikiwan which is right above the Saikiwan MTR
Station,
> > is
> > more accessible), I have an experience to have the 20th Anniverary
concert
> > of my band there.  The equipment is OK, the size is much bigger than 
> > Shousan Theatre and the cost is cheap.  For the Art Centre, the 
> > booking cost
for 4
> > hours performance plus 4 hours rehearsal is $13,400 but the Saikiwan
civic
> > centre is only $6,240.  Besides, if you are a non-profit making 
> > body,
you
> > can apply for some discount too.  Details please note the website
below.
> >
> > http://www.lcsd.gov.hk/CE/CulturalService/SWHCC/fr-hire.html
> > http://www.hkac.org.hk/link_doc/rate_card_theatre_ec.pdf
> >
> > For the performers, I don't think we need to worry as I think we can
easy
> > gather some old boys and girls to perform.  But of course, the
quality of
> > the performance would be your concern.  Thus, I think quantity 
> > should
not
> > be
> > a problem but quality is critical.
> >
> > For the guest, if you really want to invite Tang Wai Yan, I can
approach
> > him
> > as he was one of the performers in our HKFolk 2007 concert at 
> > Victoria park early this month.  He is kind and helpful and still 
> > enthusiastic in
folk
> > singing.
> >
> > For Lam Chun Kit and Lee Yee Fai who sang with me during 1983
concert.  Be
> > frank, I don't know whether they are still singing or not esp Lee 
> > Yee
Fai
> > who I have not met him for several years.
> >
> > For the ticket price, I think $100 is OK because of the financial 
> > situation is positive nowaday that if 70% full house, we would have 
> > $32,900
income.
> > I
> > think it would be quite safe for us and would not have any loss.  Of 
> > course, if Kung Lee alumni can sponsor some that will be great.
> >
> > I think, Lo Sir, you should also need to think about the theme of 
> > the concert.  is it only for folk music or to accept the performers 
> > to
sing
> > other kinds or the first part of the show is folk and the second 
> > part would be other type, etc...
> >
> > Also, I would suggest to post this idea at kung lee alumni website
which
> > can
> > create some noise among the alumni.  If you don't mind, I can help 
> > to
add
> > this topic to the forum there.
> >
> > Anyway, if you think I can offer any help, please let me know.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Frankie
> >
> >
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> Forum 1 From Lo Chi Keung
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> ¡ÓH¢DoaI: lochikeung.name
> >> ?e¡¦A: 2007/11/29 P¡¦A¢D| ?W?E 05:31:37 HKT
> >> |¢DoaI: capofc@hkstar.com,  ppm@
bonnielkma
> >> ¢DD|R: Concert forum!
> >>
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> >> Dear partners
> >>
> >> 1. It is a very good new that we can find Sun Ming Kwong and Cheung
Wai
> >> Yee. But Cheung Wai Yee is currently out of town. I do not know 
> >> what kind of job she is leading in Jockey Club and how committed 
> >> could she be.
Sun
> >> Ming Kwong can also have a sudden travel appointment. (i wrote to
both
> >> of
> >> them today)
> >> 2. Suppose we have four ?ets?of performers and each one sings 3
songs.
> >> Then the 12 songs?engagement is around 50 to 60 minutes, including 
> >> commentary.
> >> 3. Provided we have 1-2 guest performer groups, we might say we 
> >> have gathered half the program. Suppose it is a 2 hour program, 
> >> divided
by a
> >> 15
> >> minute intermission for the people to socialize and take a break.
> >> 4. In my mind, I would like to invite Tang Wai Yan again. He had
been in
> >> the Kung Lee stage twice, one in 1978 and one in 1987. He was also 
> >> my college mate, though he would not remember me anymore. You guys
should
> >> know him too! Then you guys can invite another one. That could be
easy
> >> right.
> >> 5. Inviting guest should be easier than finding alumni to play. I
mean
> >> quality!
> >> 6. Bonnie, you have said that you recently try to sing again. Are 
> >> you able to sing? Or you could pick up part of the MC job (Sze 
> >> Yee). Last
time,
> >> you
> >> did a great job with Yam Tze Yu. Could you share some admin. too?
> >> 7. Frankie, for organization, do you think your friend Lam Chun 
> >> Keung
> >> (terry) can join in? Is that you guys played together in 1983 with
Lee
> >> Yee
> >> Fai? Where is Lee Yee Fai? As you know, LAM CHUN KEUNG had been
engaged
> >> in
> >> public election processes. He could be good in organizing the event.
> >> What
> >> do you think? We need a lead person to start with even there is a 
> >> reasonable response from the floor.
> >> 8. Who else can we think of doing the admin.?
> >> 9. Can we check out what places we can rent? And at what cost? I am
bias
> >> on Shouson Theatre of Arts Centre if their rental charge  has not
been
> >> raised to rocket high. Can Frankie you check it out, just by 
> >> dialing their sales office. I think I gave you last time. This is 
> >> the chief and
major
> >> cost. We need to know first. Where else can we think of. Shouson 
> >> has only 430 seats, easy to fill. But the income is not great. 
> >> Suppose an
average
> >> of $60 a ticket (i have no idea how affordable is in this days, you
need
> >> to tell me), the income would only be $24000.00. Some seats would 
> >> be
out
> >> as complementary and do not count! We have also a record of renting
this
> >> theatre. Sometimes, they do not rent to first comers with no
performance
> >> record.
> >> 10. We can also allow the tickets to be sold to outside people. Sun
Ming
> >> Kwong still have fans and your circle of people would come too. But
this
> >> is only the last scenario of ticket selling, it loses the meaning 
> >> of
an
> >> alumni concert.
> >> 11. Kung Lee College herself could provide 2-3 groups in the show. 
As I
> >> said, this would give opportunities for a ?ew blood stream?of this
kind
> >> of activities and hope to bind the younger generation to something. 
It
> >> also expands the audience for a better ticket selling. This would 
> >> be around 25-30 minutes. We are very close. We need to find a few 
> >> more people.
> >> 12. I see that Ng Yat Keung was in the dinner list. I will try to 
> >> ask Paul Ng for his email and asked whether he was interested in 
> >> doing the
back
> >> stage.
> >> 13. I will try to compose a questionnaire and ask Paul Ng whether 
> >> it
is
> >> ok
> >> to do a market check in the 40th dinner. My gut feeling is that a 
> >> lot alumni will come to a concert than a dinner. I could be wrong 
> >> because people? behavior changes.
> >> 14. OK I have written a lot. Please comment on various points.
> >> 15. Priorities:
> >> a) Find more people who can play. E.g. musicians like violinist or 
> >> pianoists. KCL alumni should have a few doing music.
> >> b) Find someone who can lead the admin.
> >> c) Find out roughly the cost of concert hall rental, that will
estimate
> >> the budget
> >> d) How to sell the idea to the dinner party and the alumni 
> >> executive, without their approval, nothing could happen.
> >>
> >>
> >>